Dec 2, 2009

Israeli .. Peace?

An Israeli settler squeezing a Palestinian young man twice, under the protection of Israeli army men and ambulance men!
Should we trust all the claims of Israeli peace when this is the Israeli people?

22 comments:

Mohamed said...

After that Israeli settler finished his terrorism, he was taken away, put inside his house. Oh, the Palestinian was under the car! The ambulance men, (Angels of mercy) were watching the Palestinian young man suffering under the wheels of the car!

That's how Israeli people see Palestinians.

Anonymous said...

2. Mohamed-(Title): "Israeli..Peace?"

Not in my lifetime, or yours. reb
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SNAKE HUNTERS said...

On This Joyous Holiday Season...

May The Omnipotent Creator...of all things...look down upon His Magnificent Work...with an intense
goodwill for all of His children...with compassion & mercy for all cultures, all religions, all people everywhere;

...and fill their hearts with an abundance of kindness and generosity...with a new resurgence and up-lifting of spirit for the coming years, and especially...for a much greater appreciation for the women in our lives.
Bless Them All ! .... Amen.
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Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year!

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SNAKE HUNTERS said...

Mohamed - Today I had a chat with a
knowledgable friend that said:

If you know a 'Moderate Muslim' ask him this question:

"Does your religion allow an idol-worshipping Hindu the right to live?"

IF his first word is Yes or No, then he is an honest, moderate Muslim!
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What Is Mohamed's First Word?

reb
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Mohamed said...

reb,

Merry Christmas to you, too.

In the same occasion, 1 year ago, Palestinians in Gaza were suffering from the Israeli terrorism. Israelis were showering schools, UN places, mosques, hospitals, water station, police stations by internationally banned bombs, causing Palestinians to be maimed and killed viciously.

Hundreds of children, and tens of women and elderly were killed viciously by Israeli bombs. This was the only message that Israelis could send to the Palestinian people in the beginning of a new year! That's all what they can offer even in the happy times!

Israeli leaders i.e, Tespi Levni, a war criminal, declared after escaping from the British justice hand, like a runner from justice, that she's PROUD of all her decisions during their holocaust, as named by Israeli ministers, against the people of Gaza! She didn't even say that she was sorry for having to do that! Or expressed how she is sorry for the "unintended" murder of innocent children! No, SHE IS PROUD AND WILL DO THE SAME THING AGAIN!!!
It's hundreds of years before we can witness a real peace intention from the Israelis.

Mohamed said...

As for the question of your friend,
If you know a 'Moderate Muslim' ask him this question:

"Does your religion allow an idol-worshipping Hindu the right to live?"

IF his first word is Yes or No, then he is an honest, moderate Muslim!


Well, tell your friend the next..

If you want a first word, then here you're..

Yes. Islam allow an idol-worshipping the right to live.

I have to say that it's an odd question, but it reveals the deep ignorance and cultural gap between the West and the Muslims. There is a deep misunderstanding between both of us. Many in the West see Islam as a culture that don't respect others, and is incapable of living with others, and seeks killing all others. I fully understand this cultural gap and its reasons i.e.; the violent acts made by the name of Islam, the misguiding about Islamic texts, the ignoring practiced by Western Media towards moderate Muslim voices, the intended lie about Islamic rules, etc. That's why I made this blog; to explain -as I can- verses of Qur'an and Hadith, & to reveal what Islam say, not what extremists say, & focus on the good examples of Muslims.

Anyway, here you're why I said Islam allow an idol-worshipping the right to live.

According to Qur'an and sayings and deeds of the Prophet, the human life is protected..

In his sermon on the Day of Arafa, Prophet Muhammad said; "Your blood, your property, and your honor are all sacred: as sacred as this [holy] day of yours, your city, and this [sacred] month." This sancity is not for Muslims alone, because the Prophet also said: "Whoever kills a person whom we have a treaty will not even come close enough to Paradise to smell its scent, and its scent can be found at a distance of forty years travel." And also ordered a Muslim murderer of a non-Muslim to be executed.
Also Qur'an says; ".. if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people .." 5:32

This verse, and the sayings of the Prophet, plus the execution of a Muslim for killing a non-Muslim reveal that the human life is scarified and highly protected (moral and sanctional protection) whatever the belief of the human.

On the other hand, when the Prophet himself opened Mecca, the city that leaded the war against Muslims and was full of idol-worshiping people, he was able to kill them, if it was true that Muslims are required to slay idol-worshiping guys, but what did he do? He said to all the idol-worshiping people; "GO, YOU ARE FREE!" He released a whole people of a city!
He would kill them if he wanted, they are the ones who torture Muslims, killed many, besieged Muslims for over 3 years and expropriated the property of Muslims, but he released them all, he even didn't took them as war prisoners!

This reveal very clearly that idol-worshiping communities are given the right to live under the protection of Islamic state.

I hope this answer the question of your friend.

By the way; tell "your friend" that I did many efforts to find any resources that say something like ..."3 of the 4 schools of Sunni Islam say categorically that Hindus must be put to death if they refuse to convert to Islam". But I couldn't find any of these false claims. Please ask him for me to reveal where he find out this odd false information.

Thanks

Snake Hunters said...

Mohamed - There you go again... with the jew-baiting clamor for justice in war-time! It's foolish to mention only the atrocities committed by ONE SIDE. It's this atrocity for that one, in every war.

The tiny beleaguered Israeli population is surrounded by 600 million Muslims in the Middle East that hope to "wipe them off the map", and Hizbullah & Hamas are only foolish puppets in an obvious world-wide conspiracy for absolute, totalitarian control.

... reb

Mohamed said...

Snake Hunters,

I notified you not to go off subject. This post is talking about Israeli terrorism, not "Treaties with Muslims". I deleted the irrelevant parts, you can post them in a related post to the same subject.

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You know, I always wondered.. IF it was true that Muslims seek killing all Jews, so WHY JEWS ESTABLISHED THEIR "STATE" IN THE MIDDLE OF HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS?!!!

Don't you wonder, too?!!

There is one of two possibilities;
a) Jews are crazy enough to establish their state in the middle of "their enemies".
b) MUSLIMS ARE NOT AIMING AT KILLING JEWS.

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Mohamed said...

Snake Hunters,

You said;
It's foolish to mention only the atrocities committed by ONE SIDE.

Well, let's take the last Zionist war against the people of Gaza during Christmas celebrations last year as an example..
I'll mention the atrocities committed by the Israeli side, then I'll leave for you the space to mention the "atrocities" made by the Palestinian side in the same war. Does this suit you?

*1330 victims of the Palestinians including;
-418 child killed,
108 woman killed,
88 elderly killed,
14 of medical crews killed,

*5450 wounded with a percent of 50% children and women,
and 90% of the wounds are caused by the internationally banned White Phosphorus.

*The Jewish judge R. Goldstone made a report condemning Israel of committing, not only war crimes, but crimes against humanity. And condemned Hamas too of committing war crimes.

Now you have the space to tell the atrocities made by the Palestinian side in this war in the last Christmas.

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

Mohamed Is Dishonest. Cannot Stand The Heat Of Open Debate or Discussion. He Admits Deleting One-Half Of My Statement, To Guide The Conversation Into A Ditch!

Mohamed Is Cowardly When Facing Men Who Know His Trickery...He Bans
Amillennialist & Mr. no-slappz!

Your Muslim Treaties with Non-Muslims, Have No Standing Or Value In World-wide Jurisprudence.

Now your comment section is best left to people that agree with everything you publish.

I'll Have None Of It. reb
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Mohamed said...

Aha, so Ralph is getting angry now!

Is that because I deleted your irrelevant words to the subject of this post? Are you mad of following rules?!!

Then why I didn't become angry when you refused to publish my comments on your hateful ignorant post, however they were so relevant? Is it about the length? Huh, your limit was 1000 words, my comments were 1097! So closed mind!

Anyway, if you insist to throw your lies here, then I have to correct you..

You claimed that Muslims are not fulfilling their treaties, right?

Then, go back by the time, 1430 lunar years. A Muslim killed a non-Muslim whom the Prophet had a treaty with his people. And the Prophet ordered the Muslim man who murdered the non-Muslim to be executed. A MUSLIM MAN WAS EXECUTED BECAUSE HE BROKE THE TREATY WITH A NON-MUSLIM PEOPLE.

An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.

Is it justice?
Is it equity?
Is it RESPECTING FOR THE TREATIES?

Mohamed said...

Snake Hunters,

Will you get back to your old habit of ignoring evidences?

Don't be coward. You claimed that Muslims don't respect their treaties with non-Muslims (WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY EVIDENCE ABOUT YOUR CLAIM), I told you an evidence against this claim.

Do you have something to say about the evidence I provided or your tongue say nothing but lies and is incapable of involving in a civilized mind-talk?

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

He will not give you an answer, so just ask any victim of religious terror in how many countries?

Islam dreams of world conquest, using their kill-culture to either convert, to enslave with dhimminitude, to infiltrate all foreign cultures in the name of "love & peace" and with a phony moderate tone.

When the daily suicidal bombs fire off in Kabul, Islamabad, or Bagdad
TOMORROW, killing innocent muslim men, women and children, we should ask them how they feel about their peaceful religion. Mohamed says these killers will never smell paradise.

Well, I can't argue with that! reb
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Mohamed said...

Snake Hunters,

Are you able to make a civilized talk for ONLY ONE TIME, aiming at mutual understanding?

Snake Hunters said...

Mohamed Said - Dec 17th, 11:45 pm, (then deleted it)) >

"You (reb) Claimed That Muslims Don't Respect Treaties With Non-Muslims (WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY EVIDENCE ABOUT YOUR CLAIM)...

Reb's Answer: Mohamed Is An Islamic Scholar, I Am Not; He Insists That Reb Research It, To Inform Mohamed...Well, O.K.
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1) First, the words of Egyptian scholar Sayyid Qutb: "Islam and Universal Peace, that true peace would prevail in the world just as soon as Islam had conquered it."

2) "War Is Deceit", Vol 4, Book 52,
Number 269

3) Islamic Words:
a) Dar al Islam - House of Islam -Dar al Haarb - House of War
b) Nnash - to nullify, abrogate etc (with religious permission)
c) Taqiyya - religious deception, i.e. Lying to an Infidel
d) Kitman - Mental reservation (withholding sensitive parts)

Sayyid Qutb (repeat) - "...true peace would prevail in the world JUST AS SOON AS ISLAM HAD CONQUERED IT !

Quote: "That's The Greatness of the Islamic Religion" - Mohamed Fadly, on Nov 17th, 2009 {post}, 6:42 A.M.
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(Print This, Before You Delete, you clever young ....!) - reb
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Mohamed said...

Snake Hunters,

Now, you're starting to revile me!
However, I won't revile you, because the civilized rules of my Qur'an tell me; "Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides Allah, ..".

Anyway, I think it's a good step that you have read Sayyed Qotb's "Islam And International Peace". I think it's the good time to read it when you're talking these days about treaties of Muslims with non-Muslims.

I guess you have read the part of the book that talk about the power of a treaty held with a non-Muslim state in the chapter entitled; "Peace of The World". Sayyed Qutb quoted many verses of the Qur'an. I know you've read them when you was reading the book, but I'll tell them here for those who didn't read the book, with some words of the writer..

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Even the polytheists who opposed Islam and Muslims and hurt them, even those, Muslims are obliged to fulfill the treaties that was held before with them, as Qur'an says;
"(But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous. " 9:4

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Even the Muslims that are away from Dar Al-Islam, who ask for victory from Muslims, it don't give Muslims the excuse to break the treaties that were held before with the governments of these states, as Qur'an says;
"Those who believed, and adopted exile, .. As to those who believed but came not into exile, ye owe no duty of protection to them until they come into exile; but if they seek your aid in religion, it is your duty to help them, except against a people with whom ye have a treaty of mutual alliance. And (remember) Allah seeth all that ye do. " 8:72

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The Testament is holy, whatever Muslims lose of interests and desires..

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Islam has made his rule in International World, and even Human world, is Fulfilling Testaments. Qur'an says:
".. and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). "17:34
and says too;
"Fulfil the Covenant of Allah when ye have entered into it, and break not your oaths after ye have confirmed them; indeed ye have made Allah your surety; for Allah knoweth all that ye do. * And be not like a woman who breaks into untwisted strands the yarn which she has spun, after it has become strong. Nor take your oaths to practise deception between yourselves, lest one party should be more numerous than another: for Allah will test you by this; and on the Day of Judgment He will certainly make clear to you (the truth of) that wherein ye disagree. " 16:91,92

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Allah has honored fulfilling testaments and those who fulfill it, as He degraded those who break the testaments that He described them as animals. As Qur'an says;
"But those who break the Covenant of Allah, after having plighted their word thereto, and cut asunder those things which Allah has commanded to be joined, and work mischief in the land;- on them is the curse; for them is the terrible home!" 13:25
And says too;
"For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe. * They are those with whom thou didst make a covenant, but they break their covenant every time, and they have not the fear (of Allah.. " 8:55,56

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Some misguiding may happen on hearing the saying of the Prophet(PBUH):"War Is Deceit." But in fact, no misguiding should happen for deception in war is permissible, when it's a war not peace. When it's war time, it's the time for military plans, and the enemy knows, takes care, and makes a counter move. Deception then is a militant skill and prowess IN THE FIELD OF WAR, NOT IN THE FIELD OF PEACE.

Mohamed said...

Snake Hunters,

You're an extremist who mixes everything up. The old and the new, the moderation and the extremism, the texts and the deeds.

I'll delete your last comment, to give you a space to think about the verses and words of Sayyed Qotb quoted in my comment December 19, 2009 11:35 PM. Take all your time, then see if you have something to say about these verses and Islamic rules about respecting treaties with non-Muslims.

If you have nothing to say about the verses and the SUBJECT OF OUR DISCUSSION that worths to be listened to, then you had better don't bother yourself writing it, because it will be deleted, just to keep as possible the target of this blog, Making A Civilized Discussions.

Got it?

Urban_Underclass said...

Reb wrote,

"Now your comment section is best left to people that agree with everything you publish.

I'll Have None Of It. reb"


Pot calling the kettle black.

Blog of Blogs publishes all comments in their entirety allowing the reader to see the commentators true nature.

How can you say I am always using foul language when no-one can read the comments for themselves. You slander me Reb.

Rory

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

So, Rory. I'll come on your channel so you can slander and revile me on your home turf!

I love it! reb
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Urban_Underclass said...

Reb,

Do, Blog-of-blogs is as close to neutral ground as you can get. I don't use bad language in serious debate until it breaks down totally and loses it's purpose.

That said, this blog is a good place for discussing things related to Islam, prehaps some of your recent comments about the RC church might find a better forum here some day.

Happy new year.

Rory

Anonymous said...

I just heard the other day that for years Palestinians lived relatively peacefully beside Israel. But then Hamas moved in.

Mohamed said...

Anonymous,

What you heard is a lie. Since 1938 and even before Zionist terrorist groups were bombing Arab markets, trains, buses, etc that resulted in many killings among the Arabs. (Check my post, "History vs Claims", FEB 28, 2009)

Years passed and nothing have changed. The killing of Palestinians by the new Jewish comers continued.

You should have said;

Palestinians lived relatively peacefully beside Arab Jews. But then Zionists moved in.